Okay, doesn’t nothingness define non-existence?

More or less, that’s what I’ve been saying, God is nothing

But then to believe in nothing, would be a non-existent hypothesis.

Exactly what I’m telling you. God doesn’t exist he is nothing, what part of that don’t you understand?

We have already established your belief in God now it’s just a matter of your acceptance of Jesus as Lord and Savior, but we are showing now that atheism does not exist.

Yeah but now I’ve got you, because by your own argument if a thought is something and something exists then I have thought about it and I believe that atheism does exist, so now what do you have to say?

But your belief tells you to believe in nothing, nothingness is an inconceivable concept. Remember even in nothing there is something, so I don’t understand how a belief in nothing can be upheld.

It’s not really a belief in nothing; it’s a belief in no God.

We have already established however your belief in God, so how can that be a belief? Your belief structure has a flaw. If you would like to fix that we could discuss how you might find salvation through belief in Jesus Christ.

No thanks.

You don’t want to know the truth?

I know the truth I know what I believe.

So you are then assured of salvation?

I don’t know nothing about that, but I do know that what I believe is the truth to me.

So truth is relative then? Is that what you are saying?

Yeah, you know everybody has there own perception of what is true.

Wow it would be great if the law worked like that, no your honor that is not one of my laws so I can’t be charged with it.

Now you’re talking.

So I’m not really sure if you are an anarchist or a relativist. Do you know?

I’m hopeless

We all are that’s why we need Jesus that’s why he paid the price for our sins that’s why we can’t do it on our own. I’ve got to get going, you have a great day and may God bless you

You too

So if I give you that, then you have to concede that God would cease to exist as soon as the thought was done.

Everything man has created originated from just a thought, I believe that you would be hard pressed to stop thinking about it. Just because something is not on your mind for a moment, that does not defer its relevance.

Yeah but if God is just a thought, then once the thought is gone then so is God.

What about when someone else thinks about the thought that you call god? To be completely honest though you have to understand that God is more than a thought, much more.

So you said that atheism couldn’t exist, how can you explain that?

What does your atheist religion claim you believe in?

It’s not a religion; it’s a lack of religion.

If that were true there wouldn’t be so many people out there trying to evangelize for atheism. I would call it one of the more aggressive religions there is. So what is it that your atheism worships?

Nothing, that’s the point, there is no God.

Define nothing.

How do you define nothing? It is nothing, now I have to ask you are you stupid?

Possibly, but think about it in nothing, still there is something.

Huh?

What’s in your hand?

Nothing.

Okay so if you cupped your hand would it hold air?

Yeah, kind of.

Isn’t air one of those life sustaining somethings?

Yes, but there is still nothing.

If it is something you require to stay alive how can you say it is nothing? Even in the vacuum of space there is something, in all places at all times there is something. Something is like God in that aspect.

So God is something?

See I knew you would come around.

No wait a minute.

To be continued

How are you doing?

I’d be doing a lot better if the weather would clear up.

Did God rain on your parade?

Something like that, but I don’t think it was God I’m an atheist.

I doubt it probably more agnostic.

What?

Atheism doesn’t exist.

What are you talking about I just said it did, God doesn’t exist.

What does God look like to you?

Nothing, I just told you God does not exist.

So is that your definition of existence then, being something?

Okay, I guess you could say that.

Is that rock something?

Yes.

Is the sidewalk something?

Yes.

Do they then exist?

In a manner of speaking, yes.

Is a thought something?

Yes.

So have you ever thought about God?

No.

Are you sure? Do you just jump to illogical conclusions without thinking?

No, you’re trying to twist my words around.

I’m trying to lead you into the light, that you might know the truth.

I have used logic to come to the conclusion that there is no God.

So you have thought about God?

Yeah, okay I have thought about God and I don’t believe.

Your logic is fooling you because you have already admitted you believe in God.

No I haven’t, you are not hearing what I’m saying.

I hear you clearly, I don’t think you are listening to yourself.

Whatever, I don’t want to talk about your God.

It’s not my God; It’s your God we are talking about.

I don’t believe in God.

I would have to argue that if you have not thought about God you couldn’t argue that there is no God. If one is going to argue that there is no God they would have to think about it. You can not argue against something you have not thought about, that is just stupid. Are you stupid?

No.

So you have thought about God?

Yes.

So if a thought is something and something is existence, then even if God is just a pure and simple thought, you have to admit He exists.

You can twist my words all you want, I still don’t believe.

We have established you do believe, even if God is just a thought, we just have to work on your salvation now.

Hope springs eternal, or so the story says. I guess I would have to agree with that in a sense. If hopes are realized, then others replace them. Should we then hope for forgiveness from our sin? I would have to say no. Be assured of it’ if your faith is in Jesus Christ, then you are guaranteed of that and what good does it do to hope for that which you have?

Romans 8:24,25 for in this hope we are saved. But hope that is seen is no hope at all. Who hopes for what he already has? But if we hope for what we do not yet have, we wait for it patiently.

My Nelson Bible companion tells me that hope is, reliance on God’s blessing and provision; the expectation of future good.

! Peter 1:3,4 Praise be to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ! In His great mercy he has given us a new birth into a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, and into an inheritance that can never perish, spoil or fade- kept in heaven for you.

As Alexander the great was setting out on his conquest of Asia, he inquired into the finances of his followers. To ensure they would not be troubled over the welfare of their dependents during their absence, he distributed crown estates and revenues among them. When he had disposed of nearly all the royal resources, his friend General Perdiccas asked what he had saved for himself. Hope said Alexander. In that case said Perdiccas we who share in your labors will also take part in your hopes. He then refused the estate granted him, as did several others.

Hope breeds hope. It is not possible to go forth in the world with an abundance of hope and not deposit some of that hope with those you encounter. So what’s in your hope chest? I can give you an idea of mine. I hope that my desires are aligned with God’s will. I hope that somehow, someone, somewhere will hear what I say and place their hope in Jesus Christ. I hope for a worldwide revival of faith. I hope that I will love more tomorrow than I did today.

2 Cor. 1:7 And our hope for you is firm, because we know that just as you share in our sufferings, so also you share in our comfort.

It is my hope that you will live to glorify God through faith in Jesus Christ

Be Blessed

Ross Moebius

All verses from NIV

We are told Abraham was found righteous in God’s eyes through faith. That is the same for us, for it is through faith that we receive salvation. Though the circumstances may differ the result is the same. Abraham displayed his faith in God by being a loyal servant, by responding to God’s wishes with action. The same can be said for what God desires of us.

In truth the story of Abraham is a picture for us of what it is God desires of us and at the same time gives us a picture of what God was going to do for us. God told Abraham to leave his family and go to a strange land, he went. In fact everything God asked Him to do, he did without hesitation. Abraham had faith. In their old age God gave Abraham and Sarah the son they had waited and wished so long for. You have to know in your heart how much this elderly couple must have loved this son. Isaac grew to be a fine young man. Then Abraham was given a true test of faith. God said I know I promised you that through Isaac you would be blessed with a multitude of nations, but now I want him back. I want you to offer Isaac to me as a sacrifice. Okay, I don’t know about you but I believe that if I heard something like that, the first thing out of my mouth would be you’ve got to be kidding, get behind me Satan. You have to know, to almost feel the struggle that Abraham had to be going through. The same God that had so blessed him with this son he so loved, now wanted him back? The turmoil this must have caused in Abraham’s mind is beyond my comprehension. We all know Abraham chose to obey God, if not then you can find it in Genesis 22. This is a perfect example, of what God wants from us. No not to do away with our kids, but to go when He says go. He wants us to shine for the world the light that is Jesus Christ, He wants us to release our worldly desires and ambitions, to listen and accept His will. So here is Abraham taking the only son he and Sarah have up into the mountain to offer him up as atonement for sin. Let’s think about this for a moment, does it sound familiar in any way? As they walk along, Isaac loaded down with wood like a pack mule starts to think, he asks, dad we’ve got wood, we’ve got fire, where is the lamb? Abraham responds with God will provide himself a lamb for the sacrifice. God will provide himself, is that awesome or what? Do you catch the line of thought here? God showed us through this story that He would provide himself as atonement for our sin, that we might be found righteous through our faith. True he did stop Abraham from killing Isaac, but we receive a clear picture of the pain that God must have felt when his only Son died for our transgressions, and He did it without hesitation because he loves us and wants to be with us.

Jesus stepped down from God to be a man, so that we could be reconciled to him through faith in spite of ourselves.

"For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish, but have eternal life." John 3:16 (NASB)

Jesus said to him, "I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father, but through me" John 14:6 (NASB)

Be blessed, walk by faith

Ross