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Other translations have language that says more along the lines of "the man is the head of a woman", but since it says the man, I am inclined to think along the lines of husband and wife first.
If you can read the original language and discern what it is saying better than this, by all means, speak up!
Another thing that I note about this is the context that follows about covering of the head, cutting hair and what not. I have heard discussions about the symbolism of covering the head, and I have heard it said that the symbolism, which is more of an indicator of our heart and thoughts, is more important than the physical covering or uncovering of the head. I truth, I cannot discern the deep meaning of the matter myself.
However, leadership of men, whether it be in the context of marriage or not, is what I see here. I am willing to accept that a person might only see this in the context of marriage, so as a matter of faith, I am willing to allow for women in roles of leadership and I will not condemn it as outright wrong.
Another truth is that Leaders can and do lead by following. As an NCO in the military, I often follow orders that are given to me, and by so doing, I lead by example. Others, under authority given to me, follow because I follow. This ties in to what Paul says just before this: "1Follow my example, as I follow the example of Christ."
So lead by following. I can even accept that a woman is not outside this as long as she does not outright oppose the leadership of a man. A caveat here:
Acts 4:19 (NIV)
19But Peter and John replied, "Judge for yourselves whether it is right in God's sight to obey you rather than God."
Back to the authority issue I was previously banging on. Where lies all authority?
I might say that to do such (stand against one who would be your leader) would be akin to a military person who does not obey a command because it was an unlawful command. Soldiers in Germany in WWII who obeyed orders that they should not have did find themselves without defense because of this very line of thought. I think that the same applies here.
There is a great deal of mystery here.
BTW, this was the scripture from the "Daylights" for today.
http://www.gcachurches.org/daylights/default.asp?year=2005&month=12&day=12&mode=get&Submit=View+Date
Your Humble Servant (and in so, Christ's),
Mel
2005-12-13 01:54:08 Posted by Mel ()
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Mel, One of the best evangelical commentaries on this book, 1 Corinthians, is "The message of 1 Corinthians" by David Prior, in the BST series. US ISBN No. 0-8774-297-3. This explains a great deal about Greek dress in the 1st Cebtury AD Going into detail why these things were given as ordinances by Paul, I beleive it is to do with local customs, Greek, & not in any way to do with Israel! I can scan the relevant pages if you cannot get hold of this book. It is worth while.
Hope this helps,
Love in His Name Stuart
2005-12-13 03:08:34 Posted by Stuart (stuart@sadrankin.com)
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I don't know if I'll be able to find it. I'll try and look it up. Thanks for the advice!
Your Brother,
Mel
2005-12-13 11:50:43 Posted by Mel ()
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I think you make an important point that women do not have to be in leadership positions to be leaders. There are many women who would make better leaders that some male pastors I could name, and, just because they are not allowed to be pastors in some situations, that does not mean that they have to be submissive to every man. I think we think of the issue of women in leadership as an all or nothing thing too often. Women can be leaders in many ways just by being a part of the congregation. If fact, it is their duty, if they are leadership material, to be leaders in the church even if they can't be pastors. Our churches need them.
2005-12-13 23:41:09 Posted by C'Anne ()
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Well said C'Anne we have beat this horse to death already and found no one is willing to admit their point is the only onewhich could possibly be correct. So no use whipping anymore the horse is done running
Be blessed
2005-12-14 01:22:10 Posted by Ross ()
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I personally belonged to a Church which would not let women get up to pray at prayer meeting, far less be anything else except being in charge of "Purvey". I know of miaaionaries who have received gifts & have not been allowed to stand on the platform to say thanks!!!
This same church when I last attended as a guest, now has women elders, & greeters at the door, & women in various positions. I believe the way forward is not traditions but scripture.
God who raised up Deborah, to be leader who would question that?
This same Church has grown immensly since the change of attitude happened.
I believe that people who have ben gifted in leadership qualities MUST be recognised and used as such. Perhaps it is the women themselves who would not wish to see change?
Love in His Name Stuart
2005-12-14 04:02:15 Posted by Stuart (stuart@sadrankin.com)
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no comment, BUT...
In His Service,
2005-12-14 05:25:36 Posted by Teri ()
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